I am looking for suggestions and open to discussion on the most versatile pieces of outboard gear on the market.

Outside of the staples, like the LA2A, 1176, 1073, etc. that is mostly discussed as essential and have been used on thousands of records, I am more so interested in hearing what others think are some of the most comprehensive/versatile pieces of gear they own or have used.

For example, Louder Than Liftoff's Silver Bullet mkII is often discussed as a well-rounded unit for sonic coloration, tonal manipulation, as well as utility purposes that you can track with, put on the mix bus, and use to master.

Things that, for the money, really get you a large array of options.

This is my first post, so hopefully I put this in the right forum.

Looking forward to hearing what others think!

Silver Bullet mk1 or mk2 is an outstanding choice

Cranborne 500adat and 500r8 stuff seems super versatile too. A couple 500 series modules have compatibility issues, like the Zulu, but being an audio interface, capable of tracking, a summing mixer, 2 headphone amps and monitor output, quality clocking, etc. seems pretty useful in multiple instance

have you had opportunity to work with the mkI and mkII?

that is a good thread. Real versatile gears became rare; this clone frenesy brought us back to specific limited gears and one tricky poneys.
Equalizers is a very good example, full parametrics became very rare these days if i'm not wrong the neve 8803 and drawmer 1974 are the only full parametric in rack, zhal for the format 500.

All of them are beaten by the undertone eq, which with its q and shape options can replicate any style of eq perfectly. There's even a one hour video of Eric Valentine, replicating a vintage neve, vintage pultec, vintage siemens 295 and API 550A. And nobody care.... It's not only proving how powerful the eq is, but also how the "color" and "tone" of outboard gears are over estimated. A real versatile gear can do anything, as well as dozens of one tricky poneys.
I think this eq deserve way more attention, and i don't really understand why people are so fascinated by very limted old eq designs cloned ad nauseam.
By the way I think undertone should do a rack stereo version with four or five bands, this could become the final eq, the king of all eq.

It's a bit different in the compressor family, even the most versatile ones can't replicate any style of compression. A good designer should have a look on that. An outboard comp that could replicate perfectly behaviour of all other comps from fet to varimu to vca, would be a good challenge. Just a strong research on attack, a FB/FF, lin/log release and control on the knee/slope, dialable color and that should do the trick. The titan is probably the one which is the closest to that.

About preamps, this is just amplification, i don't get the frenesy on this. Silver bullet is a good example of over estimated piece of gear. What it brings for the money it cost is... well no comment.
Kind of the same for all color box fashion, it's way too subtle and often way too limited, at very very expensive prices. When, well it wouldn't be so hard to make a color box with transfo, tube, fet, zener, all dialable deeply that could be combined and offer an infinite palette of colour. Instead of putting two tubes or two transfos which don't do much, and sell that for 5k.


In hardware (as in the plugin world), we need real versatile tools. Versatile means that they can do EVERYTHING. Not damn one tricky poneys, super specific and specialized gears to maintain your GAS forever. This is why full parametric are forgotten, because they can do everything but it's not the interest of the brands. They just want to push you buy gears over and over again to maintain their business. I do understand their position. But i don't understand why people let them do, buying limited gears and maintain pathological GAS. It's a nice passion, but let's take back. We just need few powerful tools, not dozens of them.
Long time i understood that differences between gears are over estimated, as their colors, tones etc. Especially in places like here. In an hybdrid world owning thirty different compressors is kinda crazy and reveal more about the psychology of the owner than a real need in work etc.
I don't see that much versatile tools nowadays, i see lots of marketing and hype for gears that don't bring much on the table and people running from left to right, up and down searching for ghost holy grales that will make the hypothetical step up in their sound. Well sorry to say, but this doesn't exist.

Kush Tweaker

While i do think the kush tweaker is a great versatile comp, it's not a compressor that can replace all of them. No feedforward/feedback option, no control over the slope/knee of the ratio, no option to change attack and release in linear mode etc. If i detailed those specifications, it's because those options would help to mimic any other comp.
So while i think the kush tweker is in the top vca compressors as i stated in another thread, no compressors that actually exists can replace all others and mimic any other machine perfectly.

SSL The Bus+ packs a lot of features into a neat box.

For example, the DEQ has a static EQ section, so you can use it for a bit of overall shaping without having to use the comp/exp section.

The feature list is pretty impressive. It doesn't have much option in the way of "colouration" (just an adjustable 4K button), though.


Chris

IF analog outboard makes sense at all, i find channel strips to be the most useful tools - grace m-103, neve 8801, rnd shelford channel, millennia stt-1, tube-tech mec-1a etc.

> the DEQ has a static EQ section

sad thing, though is, unless you are in stereo-link mode, you only have LF gain, and not the HF gain on the second channel. I think they could have/should solve that with a firmware update so you can decide to keep the shelves linked and use both hi/lo. Does anyone think they would listen to me if I suggested that feature? My bet is that it's totally feasible software-wise.

> just an adjustable 4K button

I have to say, though, the different 4K levels are pretty amazing and flexible.

I mixed a dozen tracks yesterday, and I literally had different settings on the BUS+ for each track, so I agree it's a super-versatile box.

Yeah the Tweaker has some functional limits, but as far as I know is the only hardware comp truly in the direction you're proposing. Practically speaking, I'm not sure if it's feasible from a design POV to have a true chameleon hardware comp -- e.g. the Tweaker, I'm not sure how you'd fit all those controls w/o turning it into a design nightmare. Would be nice though!

Dave hill titan was already on that way and is a bit more dialable than the tweaker i think; anyway let's say they are in the same ballpark; and clearly a step ahead the distressor which was a first attempt to mimic different machines (it can mimix the 1176 but thats all).


Almost all options i'm talking too already exists on different machines... Regrouping everything in one wouldnt be so hard.
I think the main question would be about:
-having different circuit (lets say vca + opto + varimu)
or
-choosig one topology (pwm or vca like tweaker or titan) to mimic them all with eventually different output stage for the color. It probably would be the simpler option, like having switchable output option to choose from tube and solid state.


Honnestly even have an opto comp a vca comp and a varimu comp in one box is possible; look at everything done in 500 format... Don't you think a 3u would be enough to fit everything? i do think so. Many gears have big boxes that are 75% empty...

-I detailed all that because if feedforward/feedback option appeared here and there, it is still rare on most compressors. 2500, alpha, mbp and now bus+ and i think that's all. well this option is to encourage as it really open up the possibilitie of a said machine.
-Almost all compressors are now soft knee or medium soft knee; hard knee almost disappeared without reason; and the possibiity to dial manually a ratio slope open a larger range of possibility.
-Seems like not so much people do realise that ATTACK is one of the most, if not the most important settings that provides specific character and behaviour of a compressor.
All compressors nowadays have logarythmic attack and logarythmic release, and they pretty much give the same result especially when matched. The first time you find and try a linear att/rel compressor, believe me you are surprised, as the timing will be very different from what you know. Only one brand have taken this point in consideration in modern manufacturers (and on release only).

I would add that mix knob and hpf options are actually quite popular but are not really important. As far as you have an input for the sidechain you can do whatever you want, including more sophisticated things like the api trust circuit.
I never use mix knobs; if i want parallel i will do a parallel. I do get the point of convenience on this but i think it's over estimated by lazy people. It's kind of a drama if those options are not present. Hpf filter is convenient but limited, i'd rather have an input and be able to do whatever i want than be limited by the design.

I don't think there's anything complicated there, and i don't think it would cost 10k. I think the biggest question would be:
-"do we choose to emulate every type with one topology"
-"how do we choose to implemente tone/color options".

I don't see anything crazy. but as i say the fashion is all about limited vintage gears, so of course most manufacturers jump into this especially as it is simple, cost effective and creating profits without much risks.

We are in 2025, of course we could design a compressor that can do it all. If very well done, and with serious color/tonal options it could be very effective and not so pricey considering what we have today. Much people would be interested to invest in a comp that could replace all others. It could help avoiding huge maintenance cost for pros. It could help smaller studios or ven hobbyist to make a choice that cover everything and not being lost by the quantities of one tricky poney choices on the market.

I'm sure someone could solve it from the PCB/layout POV -- I think the real challenge would be making it usable and user-friendly on the UI side, something that isn't just a slog of options plastered on a front panel.

I agree that the market is saturated with devices that do more or less one thing, but I also think that true "do everything" devices are hard to get right. IMO something like the Tweakers do a good job of being sonically flexible while still maintaining a wide range of options. I'd personally rather pair them with something like the ngTubeComp to get the vari-mu bases covered rather than trying to mash up the Tweaker and a vari-mu into a single unit, but YMMV of course.

"Most versatile and comprehensive": it would help immensely if we knew what problem you were trying to solve other than spending money.

Depending on what you mean by “versatile,” isn’t the one thing truly great hardware has in common the fact that it isn’t versatile?

If you’re looking for a piece of hardware that’s like a Swiss Army knife with tons of knobs, that’s just being a jack-of-all-trades, and I think there’s no need to do that with hardware when software can easily handle it.

Of course, if you’re calling very simple but useful hardware like the 1176 or the SSL bus compressor “versatile,” that’s a different story.

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I totally agree with this point, pairing tweaker, titan, bus+, xpressor with a varimu (i would choose more an old manley or others that would fit better the need of a smoother slower characterful varimu, than a newer cleaner igs or wes, just personnal taste here).

Actually it is my setup, a super versatile vca paired with a varimu. I have and had more (other vca, an old opto, a fet etc) but already began to sold and don't really use the other anymore. I tried many other compressors (new and vintage, different topology etc) and clearly it doesn't bring much more on the table.
Even if you want to enlarge the horizon at the max, one or two addition for characterful stuff and you are full covered.
But more than 2 comps is luxury; more than 3-4 comps is stupid. The only situation where i can justify it is for very big studios that have accumulated things over time and earn so much money that they can afford to maintain all that. But for most of us, dreaming about infinite racks is just fantasy that leads nowhere.

We went deep into details, but the main idea was just to support versatile tools. The fashion is about selling very old simple specific designs overpriced which is boring and not very useful for us. for most of us, within experience and more back on GAS and fantasy we arrive at a point where we realise that just few tools are way enough to do everything. Raving on subtle variations from different machines and subtle subjective perception about color is leading nowhere but loosing us into perpetual journey, chasing up an hypothetical perfect sounds, which is absurd by definition because it wont be brought by a new machine but within time and skillz.

I find that many items that try to do too much in one unit end up being decent, but not the best version of the various sounds they’re going for. For example, the Distressor does an Opto type sound, but isn’t nearly as good as a true Opto compressor, like a LA2A.

That all said, I find the Kush Tweezers (Tweaker) to be pretty versatile.

distressor, despite being a huge sucess since 30 years is kind of a failure in its first attempt (trying to emulate different compressor). If it clearly can play and even outplay the 1176 that's it. It is nowhere close to the la-2a or even a 160VU. So it won't replace an la-2a clearly not but it's beating 1176 by a large margin and also many VCA from its era, hence its success. Still a good machine, but it's an old one now we can do better.

the urban legend that tends to say that versatile gears can be decent on everything but never the best on something is outdated. What machines are we talking about specifically? An la-2a can easily be mimicked; match it with a versatile VCA in an analyzer and you will realise that there is no magic with it. Don't get me wrong i like the la-2a and it does have a tone which is nice, but a 65 years old design which can only do one thing cannot surpass a strong modern machine that can do the same and much more.

I really don't have anything in mind, nor am I trying to purchase anything right now. Rather, I just want to hear what others consider, even with my vague question.
I may be interested in purchasing some of these things in the future, after considering what I am really looking to accomplish that ITB I am not finding, or that I want to just experiment with, more hands on, OTB.
Right now, I have some of the staple units, and I find decent results with what I have, but I love nerding out over cool gear and concepts/solutions imposed by them.
No right or wrong, nothing I am searching for, just open to opinions and recommendations of others!

I do agree with you. I guess I was just trying to say "suggestions other than the most used/best known pieces". I find much versatility on things like the 1176, can be used in almost any genre/style/etc. But just looking at cool pieces floats my boat, even without purchasing, so really open to any suggestion based on any interpretation of what I am asking!

I agree, but this runs up against the GS truism that "any hardware beats any software". The mere fact that it is hardware leads some to say that even the jack of all trades will be superior to any software in every last one of those "trades".

I looked at it as trying to spend less money. Like get fewer hardware units that cover more ground. Bang for the buck etc. But again, there does seem to be an unspoken "hardware for hardware's sake" implication. Which may not be the most cost-effective approach in the long run.

Between this post and the previous one, you share a lot of valid and qualifiable points that I definitely agree with. I think you really hammer home what I have in my mind, units that really create a ton of value that reach into different territories, rather than trying to respin the same old units that others are also doing. I think there are some great units that come out of trying to reinvent the classics, some that are totally unique to the original but still have a quality to them that is desirable, but to reiterate what you have said, I also don't think it is improbable that they could create a 3U compressor that has multiple compressor models within it, that can be interchangeable or stackable and not be $5000+ for a unit.

Others are correct as well in saying that if complete versatility is the goal, why not just use plugins, but I think what I am interested in learning about is companies that are creating swiss army knife units that push the analog boundaries and create concepts that are fresh, yet hold weight both sonically and financially.

Much appreciate your time to discuss your thoughts, they're quite helpful and valid.

The upcoming Cranborne audio bricklane 500 comes to mind for a very versatile compressor. I'm waiting to hear user reviews before considering but even then I'll wait for the digitally recallable one.

i find the term 'versatile' (to describe any piece of gear) useless:

i'm into various/much different genre and i'm working in a variety of situations (location recording, studio recording/mixing/mastering, live sound/touring, broadcasting)...

...and i'm using the exact same gear for all of my projects. i select my gear based on its features/specs/performance; the high quality of the gear makes it 'versatile' (in the sense of trusting that it will get me through any situation and prove its worth regardless of the circumstances)!

To me, the simple fact that you can use your same gear over such a diverse field of applications defines versatility.

You just enjoy being contrary. Admit it, lol.

i don't use crappy or cheap gear so it better performs well!


not really: i'm not getting a kick out of representing a minority.

my view/perspective/habits got formed over a relatively long time during which i got to work in many different situations with lots of different gear and during which i got to witness how things have been changing in various fields of our business - also in terms of how gear got used/assessed/valued.

in my circles, this modern 'obsession' with gear (and alleged/attributed sound qualities) has never been a thing so i'm not being contrary: i'm simply sharing my experience.

Take a look at the Avalon Design 737 and the SSL Bus+. I have both and like both very much.

Two things:

I'm not convinced you are a minority. I think your take on gear is likely an inexorable position once gear/experience/usage reaches a certain level.
As far as gear obsession goes, I believe it is also time/experience related for most, but certainly not all.
I have to admit to a bit of mic obsession, myself...

I’m enjoying a lot for versatility:
* SB Mk2 with the Tape 79 Mojo
* Overstayer Modular Channel
* ngTubeComp

The ngTubeComp is the latest addition but it can really do a lot between the tube and solid state saturation as well as Iron, feed forward and feedback compression etc etc.