i didn't say anything about celebrities. Celebrities are just like you and me, adult infants with severe brain damage.

INSECURITY!!! That's when a celebrity yells for their drunk bodyguards.

the bumble bee capacitor is one of the greatest scams of all time, only guitarists are insane enough to fall for it, we get fed all this magic mojo guru nonsense, no wonder we're always so unhappy with our tone, I'm of the opinion having done my own blind tests that caps literally make zero difference in sound, and the last thing I'd ever want in an amp of mine is a carbon comp resistor that drifts over time and could cause it to fail or go outside of tolerances.

I couldn't care less what celebrities are up to.

I just stumbled on that video short on the Tubes of You

It was just another log for the fire. Or grist for the mill. Or hair of the dog that bit you ?

If you're at the point of parsing the tone of different capacitors . . . . . I googled "obsession with minutiae" and OCD came up. I guess this kind of convo is just between fellow nerds, so go ahead on. But I can't see how anyone would notice in a final mix. Seems to me like too much navel gazing. You lose sight of the music.

Another way to look at it: At what point does the law of diminishing returns kick in? I'm guessing way before resistors and capacitors.

I agree, it's definitely a form of OCD and GAS fuels it, we need to get back to just enjoying the simple act of playing music especially with other people in a room together, I'm guilty of falling for it as well especially when younger.

Speaking for myself, since you are clearly not authorized nor competent to do so, (no matter how hard you try "speak" for others) I will set the record straight:

I care as much about celebrities as I do you.
Frankly, I don't give a puff of comet gas for either.

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Trendy business consultants have become overly dogmatic about the assertion:

`efficiency vs. innovation == rigidity vs. adaptability`

That is, they equate efficiency with rigidity, and innovation with adaptability in absolutist terms—insisting that ultimately choosing to pursue 'efficiency' *always* defeats 'innovation' and vice versa. Their unimaginative (yet highly celebrated as imaginative) position is that you have to choose one: efficiency or innovation.

The assertion is sometimes true. Most often, it isn''t. Efficiency is often the very platform that facilitates, even enables innovation (and vice versa). That innovation simply may not otherwise be attainable or even imaginable. So, more often, the == needs to be !=.

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I feel very fortunate (even blessed) with great mics, channel strips, and converters—but once tracking is done, I'm ITB. And I've no desire to go any other way. But I get where it matters to others in working out their own efficiencies and innovations. . .or casual preferences.

The real challenge I face is what I need to put in front of the mics (or ingest chain). That is where 97% of my effort and focus live today.


The remaining 3% (mixing, etc.) isn't yet enough for me to sweat over.

Ray H.

June 25 at 10:31 GMT.

Get in all the recording you can before then.

Another thing that occurred to me after this post - so, those new little Yamaha mixers claim to have "SPX90" FX built into them. So did the 02R and the models that followed.

I'd be prepared to bet a slap up meal that neither sounded EXACTLY like a "real" SPX90.

So...even the hardware made by the same manufacturer would be "different"!

So it's not necessarily hardware vs software ports, it's just the way its implemented...perhaps.

I don't know. All I know is ITB FX work for me just as well as OTB FX, and I don't get the "oh it's so 2D" by comparison. I had a 480 sitting on my desk for years, tried it vs some ITB stuff, left it switched off. It sounded fine, but I didn't need it.

but then I won't be able to say: "I did everything myself"

How can the world recognize my genius if the credit is diluted among several different individuals?

for someone working as a recording engineer, doing the tech work for clients, running a studio open to the public, I believe such OCD may sometimes be justified. Especially if it is part of the "package" of presenting yourself as the guy who will leave no stone unturned.

Leave no unit unmodded. Because he is not responsible for writing the song and performing it, he is responsible for the sound. The OCD self-recording musician however, is in a bind as he is responsible for the music. Lord knows I have seen plenty of people who use nitpicky audio nerdisms to procrastinate their musical decision-making.

I say the law of diminishing returns is always in operation. At first the returns diminish slowly and efforts are more justifiable. And the returns become more and more minuscule as you spend more money or extend out into the cutting edge of what is technologically possible.

The smaller the return, the more it becomes a matter of opinion. But since estimating the 'size' of the return is completely subjective, it's always a matter of opinion.

"Yeah it cost me twice as much as the other preamp, but it's worth it to me to get that 5% improvement. "

If you think something is diminishing returns, that means you know what you are using is 2nd rate to something else. Not equal yet different. Something is better. Not my judgment, yours.

But here, you won't admit anything is better or worse. Until a certain point in the argument. That's when the law kicks in. Then you roundaboutly admit something is better- but it doesn't matter. It is close enough, not worth the extra expense.

Only problem with that theory is, half the time what I think is better is cheaper. Is that still diminishing returns? If what is better is cheaper? If you have to remove your leather ass from the computer for a minute, it is diminishing returns.

If a piece of gear makes my recordings 5% better, I'll fkin well take it. And that's just one piece of gear. Ten pieces like that, I'm 50% better than you.

For analog, considering sound/build quality, I find the point of diminishing returns starts at around $500 per channel, whether it be for preamp, EQ, dynamics processor, or delay/verb. Things with tubes in them generally will be higher, though.

i don't find such generalizing assessments very useful because they (inevitably) ignore the context:

- if you're the only person in town with a hugely expensive piece of gear which attracts clients regularly, the threshold may shift considerably.

- two of my desks cost north of 200k but they get me jobs i'd never get with about equally capable yet less expensive gear.

- one of my mentors had a 'buck-per-knob' ratio which he found reasonable within the framework and budget of the state broadcaster he was operating - which was on a much higher level than what all of us freelancers and private studios had at that time...

Well…..

They said, “There’s no real gap to see,”
Then asked, “But is the edge worth the fee?”
When one assesses what gain is weighed,
They admit that one is better made.

To call them equal, then complain
That chasing more isn't worth the gain,
One admits a rank, despite their spin.
They can’t deny what fold they're in.

Nice one.

My advice is use what is 100% best for your music. Not 95%.

When deciding what is best to use, cost or technological bias does not factor into it. There are other motives at play. Maybe you are trying to realize your artistic vision as best you can. Maybe you are trying to hack out formulaic crap for money. Either way, you have your eye on the goal, and will use the best tools to get it.

Oh, well.. Frank, you too?

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You know, it's not all that different than the old guard in various sports defending their era against contemporary achievements.

It's not because digital is making it dryer. Analog is making it wetter.

He's saying that if you're dextrous enough with your digits, it gets wetter.

poor one: gear selection is agnostic of genre...

2 sides of the same coin?

That was an enjoyable rant by Frank Filipetti about the shortcomings of analog.

"U2, Brutus?"
"No, that was the Gang of Four"

He must have done Eruption there!

I eat Swiss Cheese religiously.
Because it’s.
Holey.
Chris

500 plugins? What for? There are difference in some - workflow etc…but not really.

I don't know what you mean by "poor one", but for me, gear selection is not agnostic to genre.

forget about the 'poor one' but pls elaborate on how genre affects your gear selection? based on what criteria?

[as always, i'm referring to *****' as the equipment which gets used by sound technicians/'engineers' to record, mix and master tracks, not to combos/stacks/backline/accessories which get used by musicians]

I’m with Frank, what goes in is what comes out - and will sound that way forever, which i found out earlier this spring when remixing a 20 year-old film score of mine for an upcoming milestone 4K anniversary release - everything sounded great!

Yes I know what you are referring to. Different genres call for different sounds, styles, techniques. Different gear produces those sounds. I am not using the same gear on EDM as I am a live jazz band or classical ensemble. For example, if I am working on all or mostly electronic music, and I want a modern pop or electronic sound, I might not be reaching for analog or hardware at all. Or I might on some things. It depends on the sounds I or the client wants.

Whatever it is, it will touch analog hardware in mastering, I promise you.

What a surprise, I never would have guessed you agree with that. I am gasted with flabber. Nobody likes that dad joke but me, psycho is right again.