Moog One - Page 51

Quantum7 · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by string6theory ➡️

Thanks for the offer!

Yeah, I remember when I could lift stuff. I used to kick ass, now I’m mostly sitting on mine.

Yes, help has arrived... and is eating dinner.

Who cares about food when a new Moog One is calling out... “ffs unbox me already, wtf, you got me on pre-order with free 2-day shipping, now you just wanna stare at me inside my shipping box!”

Re fan noise... I really don’t like fan noise either. I replaced the new MacBook Pro with a 2013 Mac Pro trashcan mostly over the MacBook’s very loud, ever present fans. The MP trashcan is the quitest computer I’ve ever had. Sits right next to me quite as a mouse. I like a quite control room.

Yeah, I like a quiet area myself, hence the reason I spent nearly $8k in my room build 2 years ago for the soundproofing and acoustics alone. I'll look very forward to your impressions with the fan....and of course the sound.

cogsy · 27th October 2018

They discussed this in one of the streams. To deactivate the fan, turn the unit on, press and hold all LFO selector buttons, move the mod wheel up and hold it, then press and hold (in this order) the lowest D G A F keys. I guess as in Don't Give A Fu..errr Fan, which is apparently what passes for humor in Asheville. Not sure why they went with the arcane series of button presses to access features like on the Phatty instead of using the nice big screen. Maybe they just wanted to discourage you from doing it.

fuse · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by Synthient Sound ➡️

Nice video. Too bad you cannot hear anything because of the constant wailing of those fans. Oh wait.....

Thx! Just what the Dr. prescribed.

Quantum7 · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by Synthient Sound ➡️

Please 'Like' and 'Subscribe' to help to know if I should make more. Thanks for watching.

NOOOOO...I was going to do one of those. You are stealing my hits!!!!

I look forward to watching you video in a few minutes.

Lady Gaia · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by Mutantt ➡️

The bigger the fan, the slower it has to rotate to move the same amount of air.
Low RPM = nearly silent.

There’s also a lot of art to airflow design that can make a difference, and fan blade design is a startlingly complex field. Asymmetric fan designs require careful balancing but they can significantly reduce whine by ensuring that blades produce something closer to white or pink noise instead of a clearly pitched sound.

... but I’m sure Moog is looking into all of the above as well as the control loop that determines fan speed. I would be shocked if we didn’t see some near-term improvements, and if a fan retrofit is required I would expect Moog to take care of early adopters.

FlyingMusician · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by cogsy ➡️

They discussed this in one of the streams. To deactivate the fan, turn the unit on, press and hold all LFO selector buttons, move the mod wheel up and hold it, then press and hold (in this order) the lowest D G A F keys.

So if you don't need the fan, why is it there?

Quantum7 · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by FlyingMusician ➡️

A CS-80, OB-Xa, Jupiter-8, Prophet 10, Super JX, etc. all don't have fans which tells everyone that an analog synth can be designed to run cool enough without any fans. But at the very least, if you have to use fans, at least put silent ones in. It only takes a very slow movement of air to create a large cooling improvement. Moog will probably come out with a solution soon.

If you had all those vintage synths in a small room without fantastic AC in there, you'd be the Frying Musician, not the Flying Musician.

RunnyKine · 27th October 2018

So much talk, so few audio examples.

Logan G · 27th October 2018

Serial #49 Arrived this morning..Still just scratching the surface but I'm very happy so far.

here's an example of the first patch I made, its recorded direct with no internal or external fx.

Moog One First Patch by Lowgritt | Free Listening on SoundCloud

blewis_13 · 27th October 2018

Thank you for doing this. Excited for you and you guys.

Quick question: are your stereo channels panned hard left and right? I’m a little surprised that almost all presets sound mono for a synth that can pan voices.

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Originally Posted by Synthient Sound ➡️

Alright...I've been having to figure out how to do a bunch of video stuff I've never done before. The first preset video is up now. I'll do a couple more at least before the weekend is done. I've got to go rock out on the guitar with some friends on Saturday morning, but I'll try to have one done Saturday afternoon. Maybe one more tonight.

Moog One presets from 1892 Horror Film to Clavinott. The Moog One was recorded from its outputs straight into a Focusrite Clarett 2Pre into my Macbook running Logic Pro X and combined with the video in iMovie. There are no room mics going or talking.

No effects (compression, EQ, reverb, etc) were used outside of the Moog One. I made no attempt to balance volumes, so you hear them as they are. I just noodled, playing a little bit of each preset, then using the Mod Wheel and X/Y Pad to see what they did. Don't be expect to be wowed by my noodling.

I hope you enjoy!

Please 'Like' and 'Subscribe' to help to know if I should make more. Thanks for watching.

Moonwhistle · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by FlyingMusician ➡️

So if you don't need the fan, why is it there?

That's a dumbarse question.

So it can work properly at all temps and in all climates.

Turn it off in a cold dry studio.

Vertflyer · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by Logan G ➡️

Serial #49 Arrived this morning..Still just scratching the surface but I'm very happy so far.

here's an example of the first patch I made, its recorded direct with no internal or external fx.

Moog One First Patch by Lowgritt | Free Listening on SoundCloud

Loading error? Or just me?

Synthient Sound · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by blewis_13 ➡️

Thank you for doing this. Excited for you and you guys.

Quick question: are your stereo channels panned hard left and right? I’m a little surprised that almost all presets sound mono for a synth that can pan voices.

I may need to re-upload this. It was recorded in stereo, panned hard left/right. I'm trying to figure out where in the process it became mono.

Quantum7 · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by Phil Aiken ➡️

5. Took one of my go to OB6 patches, just because it happened to be sitting within arms length, and tried, with limited success, to match it. Suddenly got much closer when I played with the envelope attach curve. This is potent. Ultimately found a Moog preset with OB in the name that was in the same ballpark, tweaked that, and got a little closer. Still, that particular OB6 patch makes my big toe shoot up in my boot, to quote Little Richard.

I have an OB6 also, but don't think the One will probably be able to go into the OB6's character. too much...and vice versa. My Modal 002 also will be a different animal. I think that the One is going to be the perfect compliment, probably right down the middle of the 2 extremes of my 002 and OB6.

FlyingMusician · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by Quantum7 ➡️

To be fair though, a lot of those vintage synths got REALLY hot. A band-mate of mine back in the 90's had an OBxa which I remember you could almost fry an Egg on.

And they are still running strong today. But they didn't always run hot.
All you need to do is service the power supply and transformer every 20 years which is really easy to do.

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Originally Posted by Quantum7 ➡️

If you had all those vintage synths in a small room without fantastic AC in there, you'd be the Frying Musician, not the Flying Musician.

True, but internal fans won't make the room any cooler

frankenstino · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by rockmanrock ➡️

You only get fans when you get the very toppermost tier of analogue synths. All these cheap synths WISH they had a fan! It adds a truly acoustic quality to the playing experience.

I’m kind of in agreement- I’m only disappointed that the 16 voice should have 16 fans. This is unacceptable

draig · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by Klonfocius ➡️

Seriously, Moog should have said in the manual that:
1: During boot fan spins at high rate sounding like a vacum cleaner for 5-6 sec then goes to nominal speed.

I argue thats what they should have done, people would have been satisfied by that, not saying we are going to
do a software fix later which just feeds speculations, they know pretty darn well the fans spins up because they
designed it

It's 13ish seconds of vacuum cleaner... and that initial sound is no problem. Nobody has a problem with that (at least that they have mentioned). It's the level of noise the rest of the time it is on.

Marzzz · 27th October 2018

All Polymoog except for drums:

At the time of the Polymoog's introduction many people were disappointed that it wasn't a polyphonic Minimoog, but despite its limitations it had quite the sonic versatility and became a thing in its own right. I will not be disappointed if The One doesn't closely emulate a Memorymoog; judging by the wide range of possibilities of the Oscillators, the fact that it has Ladder and SVF filters, the ability to change the basic curves of the Envelopes, not too mention all of the modulation possibilities, I think it will eb its own classic.

Deleted d3a268b · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by johndavidmiller ➡️

1) this thing is HUGE - practically needs it's own zip code. i had to move 3 other keyboards to make room....

2) I am shocked and dismayed to see (hear, really) that it has a rather audible fan or fans. WTF? The back silver mesh grille is quite warm to the touch and has only been on about 30 min. The fans (and I'm convinced there are more than one) change in volume here and there, but geez, my wife even asked when she walked into my otherwise silent & sound-treated studio. "what's that noise?"

Just going through presets now and playing around... more later.

But damn, *fans*!! Hmmmm, that may be a deal breaker for me.

Yeah, it has 5 fans. Which is more than the human fans this synth will have this time next year once they've all been passed around (multiple times) on ebay in a vain attempt to claw back some of that astronomical Moog markup cost, and battered to phuq with squeaky bearings, and tatty control panel (already showing dirt/wear on demo models).

The upside is the squeaky bearings will finally make the tone of the Moog One more bearable.

Oh come on guys, this thread was just crying out for a bit of me...

And am very relieved to see I'm not in the twilight zone where high expectations for HIGH prices is actually shared by many and not just glossed over by the few.

The first mistake was thinking you were buying 8 grand's worth of analog synth, your second mistake was tolerating that you're paying most of it for basically a synth shaped computer with a rudimentary/workman like tone and a ton of software tricks to shape it (FX and modulation).

rockmanrock · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by frankenstino ➡️

I’m kind of in agreement- I’m only disappointed that the 16 voice should have 16 fans. This is unacceptable

Well yes, a fan per voice would be the ideal, or even two per voice so they could be detuned. Five fans puts it right up there in the leaderboard though, what else has that many fans? I can't see DSI catching them up.

FlyingMusician · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by Moonwhistle ➡️

That's a dumbarse question.

So it can work properly at all temps and in all climates.

Turn it off in a cold dry studio.

That's nice, so we're supposed to blindly determine what speed the fan is supposed to run at? And you are recommending just turning off cooling fans on a brand new $8,000 machine. That doesn't sound so smart.

I son't mean to school you, but these fans are variable based on temps. If the fan is increasing in speed, it's doing so because the temps have reached a level and the operating system has determined it needs to run cooler.

jmcecil · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by Logan G ➡️

Serial #49 Arrived this morning..Still just scratching the surface but I'm very happy so far.

here's an example of the first patch I made, its recorded direct with no internal or external fx.

Moog One First Patch by Lowgritt | Free Listening on SoundCloud

The low end on patch 2 is just brutal (in a good way). No character there, no sir. None at all.

Moonwhistle · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by pppch ➡️

sorry ... .
we are talking about a high end synth..flagship .. 8k .. and if the manufacturer is not even able to develop a reasonable cooling concept .. then that's just embarrassing ..it does not matter how loud it is in db ..
do you think the mistake was not discovered before delivery ... keep dreaming of the rare parts

Come on we both know you're being disingenuous here.

They could of used fans that were not as loud but having them there is a good thing. Would you prefer a synth that you can't play on a hot day or on a hot stage?

Moonwhistle · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by FlyingMusician ➡️

That's nice, so we're supposed to blindly determine what speed the fan is supposed to run at? And you are recommending just turning off cooling fans on a brand new $8,000 machine. That doesn't sound so smart to me.

I don't meant to school you, but these fans are variable based on temps. If the fan is increasing in speed, it's doing so because the temps have reached a level and the operating system has determined it needs to run cooler.

You don't need to school me. I am not in defence of fans on an 8k synth.

I just thought as a pilot you would understand why they are there. If they're too loud it's a poor design choice. All there is to it.

Quantum7 · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by lillloyd ➡️

LOL it might just be the same two guys from this thread...

Maybe! All I know is that there are people in the world who unfortunately live for no other reason except to bring others down. They are devoid of anything positive to contribute, and are so spiritually and morally bankrupt, they've become hellbent on taking as many others down to their level of misery and despair as they can. Now let's all sing, "oh what a wonderful world!"

Quantum7 · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by RunnyKine ➡️

So much talk, so few audio examples.

Maybe they're all having too much fun with a new synth to yab yab yab with those of us who haven't received ours yet.

Deleted 6853e6f · 27th October 2018

Is the fan any louder than the fan on Yamaha A5000 sampler? Is it wise to disconnect the fan?
For 8 large I would rather have a mega modular. But if you can afford it, please enjoy. Is the fan loud?

FlyingMusician · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by Moonwhistle ➡️

I just thought as a pilot you would understand why they are there. If they're too loud it's a poor design choice. All there is to it.

How do you know that? On a personal computer or a laptop, when the fans start to make noise it's usually because there is so much dust accumulated inside that they have to run faster to keep the temps in the desired range. You clean out the dust and the fans no longer whine.

How do you know that these fans aren't adjusting for the same reason, to keep the synth in the desired range? People should not mess with the fan speeds. Moog should be able to tune the fan speeds to be optimal, if not already.

Quantum7 · 27th October 2018

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Originally Posted by Logan G ➡️

Serial #49 Arrived this morning..Still just scratching the surface but I'm very happy so far.

here's an example of the first patch I made, its recorded direct with no internal or external fx.

Moog One First Patch by Lowgritt | Free Listening on SoundCloud

Nice! Thank you.... and more please.....if you have the time.

Musicncars · 27th October 2018

The fans are a throwback to the Memorymoog.

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