I feel the same regarding the vocoder, it'll get there eventually. But what's more encouraging is the potential this suggests. I'm guessing that incorporating a vocoder is almost entirely working with software. Given that the One has plenty of space for coding, that implies there is a lot of possibility to create new enhancements to the base engine. Imagine a One with version 10 a few years from now....!

No need to guess, they've already said that the vocoders are software. I think he said that they currently have 2 algos available in the first release.

I'm also not sure. Only speculating.

The estimated price of the cloned Pro-1 module got me thinking how much then for a Prophet-5 clone? OB-Xa clone?

I'm expecting the prices for these units to be equally as shocking as the Pro-1.

What a great synth this seems to be Any thoughts on the chances of a slight drop in price of it within the next year or two? I've twice bought new synths shortly after release (Korg Arp Odyssey and Novation Peak), only to find the prices dropping with several hundred dollars after a year or so.

I guess it might be different with Moog synths, but I think I recall the Moog Sub 37 having a higher retail price than it has now.

Tried searching for this question in the thread, but had troubles with opening the search findings.

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I agree. The high end will carry on, unscathed.

It's not the high end I'm concerned about: it's the mid-level. It could shrink, leaving us with a vast amount of poorly made cheap gear, a small amount of good quality, expensive gear, and fewer options in the middle.

With the Moog One, Moog is taking a secure position: the high end. It's also not a clone of anything. It's a new instrument. I think this was a good business move. That was really my point.

Coupla things watching the Moog One live build just now: first, I hope those black wire harnesses don't go bouncing around inside during shipment, possibly damaging the PCB board and components underneath (probably not). Secondly, looks like it'd be a real bear to try disassembling; I'm going to predict that any repairs are going to require it going back to Moog to do.

Just looking for something to kibitz about while the wait continues......

Pictures here: ADE 2018 Thread (Synths, Software)

For what you get in the Moog One, the price is very reasonable and fair. Why would we want Moog to be unprofitable? Why can't they get a fair price so they can pay for R & D of more groundbreaking and cool synths? You go, Moog. Most of us are with you and don't mind paying for your great gear.

They are selling synths for “reasonable prices”. If they were not, they wouldn’t be in business.

And you stopped and you turned to go to the ride?

No, the reason they are in business got nothing to do with reasonable prices. They are selling synths for huge margins because there has been no real competition with pricing until recently.

considering how much money people put in their modulars the moog one is a steal!!! Coming from the Buchla/Serge realm...these prices are not bad whatsoever.

I think we're at a great time of synthesis where hobbyists can afford the high end just as well as the performing musicians can, and across the board you can get things that match your price range. Whether it Boog, 0 coast...etc. The barrier's dropped.

Mid-range synths are still there, look at DSI. I don't think DSI is going anywhere with how used it is.

I do see a scary trend of small companies trying to take on poly synths, I'm terrified of those with the amount of bugs they could have. The River for example, it looks cool and all, but do I trust it's reliability? hell no. The Sunsyn took years to have a stable OS. Modal's OS needed a helluva lot of work too... I hope I don't have the same experience with the Moog I had with the Modals.

I was so excited after the Moog One demo that I took the slide down shouting "Whoo-hoo!!" and ended up a broken pile of bones at the bottom. Other than that, it was a great GearFest.

You should probably learn a bit about history. It’s littered with stories of small, cool companies getting trounced by giant companies who make use of global cheap labor. Remember, Yamaha bought Sequential and then killed it.

It’s smart of them, and Moog, to come back and focus on what those big companies won’t do, but if Behringer starts doing it, they could collapse again, and if you think that Behringer is going to develop something as cool as the Moog One on their own... you’re mistaken.

If by reverse engineer, you mean download the schematics off the internet ... that's pretty much how hard it is these days.

With all due respect, that is utter nonsense!

You think $8000 for a synth is reasonable?

Precisely! Why people constantly complain about some synths being too expensive is beyond me. There will always be companies like Behringer around to cater to people with financial challenges. If you don’t have much money or don’t want to spend a lot of money, buy a Behringer and be happy... and stop being so bitter that other people who are blessed to have a little more free money desire something a bit nicer than a Behringer.

How old are you? So I guess that anything that is beyond your finances is considered unreasonable to you? A $100,000 car? A $200,000 painting? A million dollar home? .

Somewhere within 189 pages, this HAD to have been discussed already.

You got me wrong. My point was that there should be no reason to pay huge prices for mass produced analog synths even if you are a millionaire, and that Behringer pricing could bring some well needed competition to the synth market.

Not for "a" synth. For example, it would not be reasonable for a Boog. But for "this" synth, yes.

more than once actually

First, Moog are NOT mass produced.

You are lucky that Behringer has their MO clone ready to role so you get one tomorrow for $75. That will really teach Moog a lesson.

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Pretty much every large musical instrument store in the world sells Moog gear. Not sounding like a small boutique company to me?

You confuse the meaning of mass produced along with the word reasonable.

So how about that moog model 15? only $10k... and it's got a helluva lot of voices!

'reasonable' is subjective... but yes, I think so...

16 freakin analog voices! 3 Osc's, 1 noise Osc and 2 filters per voice... a remarkably sophisticated UI with essentially unlimited presets, as many mod slots as anyone could ever want. Good connectivity, good sized knobs and lots of them, on a spacious surface and quality keybed.

If you make this statement you must have worked for them or have numbers to back that statement up. Do you know what they pay their workers? Do you know what their overhead costs are? Do you know what their R & D costs were for the One? I have no beef with you Randomized but you can't make this statement without the above info. Price out 16 Slim Phattys or Grandmothers and tell me where you are price-wise.